Dave Mustaine endorses Rick Santorum

Jagger69 said:

I wonder how many people ask LeClair for his auto nowadays? :dunno:

Douchebag....I hate the phucking phlyers anyway so phuck John LeClair. :thefinger

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I haven't seen/heard of him since he retired. And yeah, I am not a real huge Flyers fan anymore anyway. I like the Rangers and Hawks more than I like them. Of course my loyalty now is the the phuggin chocking Wild.

STDiva said:

All I care about is what they do on the court/ice whatever.

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Like I said that's your thing. They can show me some god damned respect as far as I am concerned. They need to take a lesson from "The King" and just fucking take and like it. They aren't "Gods." They act like they are Gods, but they aren't and when they start acting like it I am through with them.

i'm sure mustaine has caused alot of women to get abortions

ralph furley said:

i'm sure mustaine has caused alot of women to get abortions

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Wait! It's the woman's choice isn't it? That's what you fuckers have been saying all this time. It's not like Dave held a coat hanger to their heads.

Blue Countach said:

Wait! It's the woman's choice isn't it? That's what you fuckers have been saying all this time. It's not like Dave held a coat hangar 18 to their heads.

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Blue Countach said:

Wait! It's the woman's choice isn't it? That's what you fuckers have been saying all this time. It's not like Dave held a coat hanger to their heads.

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i said caused not forced

Bloodshot Scott said:

Whatever the case, he will likely alienate some of his fan base.

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I personally do not understand why people care what their favorite bands/artists' political views are. I'm not a big Megadeth fan, but if I was I could care less who the members were endorsing.

grower_boy said:

I personally do not understand why people care what their favorite bands/artists' political views are. I'm not a big Megadeth fan, but if I was I could care less who the members were endorsing.

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I pretty much agree. Although some of those Hollywood assholes like Sean Penn and George Phony really get on my nerves the way the play the shit out of that shit like a bunch of publicity whores.

If someone just makes an endorsement I could pretty much care less. But if they keep ramming Obama down my throat, I get sick of that shit.

His assessments are a little too superficial IMO. He didn't say "I support this politician because he supports this and is against that". Just "Gingrich is an angry little man" and Romney has a huge trust fund set up for his kids. I agree, but I'm not voting for Santorum simply because he cares for his daughter. The man wants to set America back to being a Christian society again.

:banger: What do you mean I don't believe in God? I talk to Him every day.... :banger:

Big Megadeth fan here. Also on the Santorum bandwagon. I would have preferred Paul Ryan to be the candidate but from the four remaining clowns, I just can't support Ron Paul :tinhat:, Newt and Mittens have thrown so much dirt at each other that I just can't support either of them, so that leaves Santorum.

By the way, I believe that whenever there's a change of party in the white house, the pendulum tends to swing hard the opposite way, and with Obama it swung so hard left that it now needs to swing very hard to the right.... yup, that's Santorum.

Besides, my lib friends, it is a REPUBLICAN primary and you guys aren't going to vote against Obama anyway, I mean, by bitching and moaning about who the republican candidate is are you really saying that you guys are dissapointed with your Idol so you wish the republicans could choose a candidate that you'd feel good about voting for? I mean, are you really considering NOT voting for Obama again? :dunno:

I remember when Rick Santorum tried to make sodomy illegal and I haven't heard from him since until now. I'm surprised he is still around.


I still lol at his last name every time I hear it. Makes me giggle for the last 7 or so years.

I figured out a while ago that Dave is a good guitarist and a poor role model.

Blue Countach said:

What besides his ideology makes Santorum a douche in your opinion? Santorum is not my choice but he seems to be an honorable decent family man. If that is a douche, we need more douches like him in the world.

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I don't know about 'douche', but 'dangerously religious-fundamentalist' certainly fits. Have you seen clips of him discussing where our rights come from, and how God's law should be held above...well, actual laws? I find his beliefs incredibly dangerous to have in any position of power. He's a 'family man' only insofar as your family conforms to what he thinks it says it should in the Bible; otherwise you and yours can burn in hell.

Red Spyder said:

By the way, I believe that whenever there's a change of party in the white house, the pendulum tends to swing hard the opposite way, and with Obama it swung so hard left that it now needs to swing very hard to the right.... yup, that's Santorum.

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I can respect the idea...kind of...but what you're talking about isn't so much 'left to right' as 'left to fucking crazy'. It baffles me - hell, it baffles the rest of the civilized world outside of the US - that candidates like Santorum can exist and actually get somewhere.

Red Spyder said:

Besides, my lib friends, it is a REPUBLICAN primary and you guys aren't going to vote against Obama anyway, I mean, by bitching and moaning about who the republican candidate is are you really saying that you guys are dissapointed with your Idol so you wish the republicans could choose a candidate that you'd feel good about voting for? I mean, are you really considering NOT voting for Obama again? :dunno:

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I am considering just that. But again, it's more than just 'left vs right' (which anyway, if you take any stock in evaluations like politicalcompass.org, all the candidates are pretty far right anyway. Including Obama).

I just want to make sure this is perfectly clear: religious conservatism/fundamentalism is not good for the world. If you need any proof, look at the whole of human history since the Abrahamic religions came onto the scene.

grower_boy said:

I personally do not understand why people care what their favorite bands/artists' political views are. I'm not a big Megadeth fan, but if I was I could care less who the members were endorsing.

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Agreed. Then again, I never understood why people cared so much about famous people at all.

You have no ground to stand on when you say things like "left to fucking crazy" when the current POTUS sat in the craziest church and listened to one of the looniest pastors of all time for over 20 years. The person is "crazy" if you don't agree with them. It's easily dismissible if you do.


Got it.

Blue Countach said:

You have no ground to stand on when you say things like "left to fucking crazy" when the current POTUS sat in the craziest church and listened to one of the looniest pastors of all time for over 20 years. The person is "crazy" if you don't agree with them. It's easily dismissible if you do.

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The person is crazy when they believe, above all else, in a 2000 year-old fairy tale enough to promise to legislate from it. I don't and didn't see Obama doing that. Then again, maybe I just missed it; hard to prove a negative, after all. I have, however, seen Santorum do just that. That's incredibly dangerous.

I want and we need our elected leaders to be altruistic and capable of critical thought. Religious beliefs are antithetical to the latter always and historically to the former often.

To provide a contrasting example: I have the same issues with some of Ron Paul's beliefs, however, he's made it clear that he governs from the Constitution rather than his own conservative beliefs. Right, left, up, down, loony or not, that's a position I can respect.

Rattrap said:

The person is crazy when they believe, above all else, in a 2000 year-old fairy tale enough to promise to legislate from it. I don't and didn't see Obama doing that. Then again, maybe I just missed it; hard to prove a negative, after all. I have, however, seen Santorum do just that. That's incredibly dangerous.

I want and we need our elected leaders to be altruistic and capable of critical thought. Religious beliefs are antithetical to the latter always and historically to the former often.

To provide a contrasting example: I have the same issues with some of Ron Paul's beliefs, however, he's made it clear that he governs from the Constitution rather than his own conservative beliefs. Right, left, up, down, loony or not, that's a position I can respect.

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You think it's a fairy tale. Others do not. Obama recently quoted the Bible and the words of Christ " From whom much is given, much is expected" to further his tax rate agenda which is an attempt to use the Bible to justify his proposals.. You are obviously an atheist or agnostic and that's fine, and there is no area in which we can reach an agreement on this.

I am just pointing out that your POV comes from your ideology and that it does not necessarily make your statements factual.

Blue Countach said:

You think it's a fairy tale. Others do not.

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Any critical assessment of the Abrahamic texts or the logical arguments made in their defense shows it's all no more real than any of today's modern fairy tales. Even the prominent, classical arguments for the existence of God point to nothing resembling a Christian/Jewish/Muslim one. They point to Deism at best.

Others used to think Zeus ruled the sky and others the Earth is flat. These are not matters of opinion, however; many people were (and are) simply wrong.

Blue Countach said:

Obama recently quoted the Bible and the words of Christ " From whom much is given, much is expected" to further his tax rate agenda which is an attempt to use the Bible to justify his proposals..

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And my points are not to defend Obama (though I can see where that assumption could be made looking back, and I apologize for that), but to articulate how ridiculous that American politicians are expected to pay such lip service (if not fully believing it themselves!) to religious nonsense. Lip service is one thing, though; regrettable, but not nearly as dangerous as true conviction.

Blue Countach said:

I am just pointing out that your POV comes from your ideology and that it does not necessarily make your statements factual.

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Of course, this is true. My ideology comes from critically assessing what I see, believe, and experience with logic and reason. Santorum's - and those who follow - does not. This frightens me and, in my opinion, should frighten anyone else who values the progress of civilization.

Dave Mathews? Never been into them. I thought they would have been Ron Paul supporters.

Another musician who should never have gotten off the heroin.

Rattrap said:

Any critical assessment of the Abrahamic texts or the logical arguments made in their defense shows it's all no more real than any of today's modern fairy tales. Even the prominent, classical arguments for the existence of God point to nothing resembling a Christian/Jewish/Muslim one. They point to Deism at best.

Others used to think Zeus ruled the sky and others the Earth is flat. These are not matters of opinion, however; many people were (and are) simply wrong.


And my points are not to defend Obama (though I can see where that assumption could be made looking back, and I apologize for that), but to articulate how ridiculous that American politicians are expected to pay such lip service (if not fully believing it themselves!) to religious nonsense. Lip service is one thing, though; regrettable, but not nearly as dangerous as true conviction.


Of course, this is true. My ideology comes from critically assessing what I see, believe, and experience with logic and reason. Santorum's - and those who follow - does not. This frightens me and, in my opinion, should frighten anyone else who values the progress of civilization.

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When the whole argument is based upon the fact that you do or do not not believe in something, one of us would have to concede to the other POV just to establish a starting point for discussion. Obviously that will not happen here. I understand why you hold these opinions and you seem like a reasonable person, we will have to respectfully disagree.

Rattrap said:

It baffles me - hell, it baffles the rest of the civilized world outside of the US - that candidates like Santorum can exist and actually get somewhere.
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What "baffles" me is how you Europeans - you on your high horse - have the audacity to critique us evil Yankees when your entire Union is in the shitter.